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would end deductions and loopholes and that he would still be able to balance the deficit by doing that. of course, as you pointed out, he will not say which deductions. why do you say that raises a red flag? >> under governor romney's plan, i pay well over 20% now. so if you eliminate the mortgage tax deduction and the charitable tax deduction, i'll still be ahead. so to do it, you have to go down and raise -- and cut the deductions enough that you wind up raising taxes on people in the middle income group. that's the problem. >> do you think this election -- the president has said that change has to come from outside rather than in washington, that this election has the possibility of producing a change that will be able to overcome gridlock. >> i don't think it not only as a possibility, i think it almost certainly will. and let me explain why. i think the president's going to win. but let's assume governor romney won. if he wins, that almost certainly means the republicans will hold on to the huse and it will be about 50/50 in the senate, more or less the way it is now. if president
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